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Posted 12 January 2017 - 07:08 AM

View Postmrcoops, on 12 January 2017 - 05:48 AM, said:


Jets tried to trade up for Favre and thought they had a deal but it fell through. Jets sat and waited and watched Favre get closer and closer. In the 2nd round, one pick before the Jets would have picked him, the Falcons picked Favre. The Jets went to the next QB on their list and selected Browning Nagle.



With rare exceptions, this is the story of the Jets, in the draft, coach selection, play calling, trades, free agency or any other area.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 08:05 AM

I think Ron Wolf was a Falcon F.O. guy and when he took the job @ GB he told them to get Favre from ATL. Holmgren might have come from ATL, too. I'll have to check.
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Posted 12 January 2017 - 08:08 AM

View PostJohn Tobin, on 12 January 2017 - 08:05 AM, said:

I think Ron Wolf was a Falcon F.O. guy and when he took the job @ GB he told them to get Favre from ATL. Holmgren might have come from ATL, too. I'll have to check.


Nope. Holmgren spent no time in ATL.
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Posted 12 January 2017 - 08:11 AM

Wolf gets Favre for GB

http://archive.jsonl...s/39404057.html
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Posted 12 January 2017 - 09:30 AM

View PostJohn Tobin, on 12 January 2017 - 08:11 AM, said:


Those paragraphs mentioning Wolf's time with the Jets & the failed attempt to trade up are so depressing, even all these years later. A reminder that being right in evaluation isn't always enough.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:54 AM

View Postjmc712, on 12 January 2017 - 09:30 AM, said:

Those paragraphs mentioning Wolf's time with the Jets & the failed attempt to trade up are so depressing, even all these years later. A reminder that being right in evaluation isn't always enough.


This has also just reminded me that Terry Bradway really liked, and strongly argued for, the Jets to pick Russell Wilson.

Instead we picked Stephen Hill.
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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:32 AM

View PostJohn Tobin, on 12 January 2017 - 08:05 AM, said:

I think Ron Wolf was a Falcon F.O. guy and when he took the job @ GB he told them to get Favre from ATL. Holmgren might have come from ATL, too. I'll have to check.

Wolf was with the jets under the ill fated Steinberg.
the next year he went to gb & traded for favre.
a book recently came out--gunslinger by jeff Pearlman--about favre & it's a pretty good read

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Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:22 PM

Here is the Walter Football Mock: Walter 2017 mock
Frankly, its a bit idiotic in that they have Mike Williams falling all the way into the teens and have Kizer going to SFO at #2. Last eweek, Walter had the Jets picking Fournette. Now they havce changed it to QB Trubisky

Cleveland Browns: Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M
As it stands now, the four candidates or the No. 1 pick in the 2017 NFL Draft are Myles Garrett, Jonathan Allen, DeShone Kizer and Mitch Trubisky. The Browns obviously need a quarterback, and I believe Trubisky is what Hue Jackson is looking for. Trubisky has his flaws, but he's very accurate and has a quick release. Jackson may envision Trubisky as his new Andy Dalton.

However, Adam Schefter has reported that the Browns have an "astronomical grade" on Garrett, which is interesting. Cleveland needs a pass-rusher as well, and Garrett would be an enormous upgrade.

The question is, would the Browns take Garrett over Trubisky when they're desperate for a franchise quarterback? Well, there is precedent for this, as the Texans picked Jadeveon Clowney when they really needed a signal-caller in the 2014 NFL Draft. Houston simply had Clowney way above all the quarterbacks, and that could be the case with Cleveland and Garrett. Plus, there are NFL Free Agent Rumors that the Browns could target Tyrod Taylor.

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San Francisco 49ers: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame
Unless Myles Garrett is available, the 49ers are almost certain to pick a quarterback. DeShone Kizer seems to be the No. 1 quarterback for most teams, based on some conversations we've had with team sources. However, not every franchise has Kizer at the top, as there is one that prefers Mitch Trubisky. It's not necessarily the 49ers, but I thought that Trubisky would be a better fit for San Francisco because he was more of what Chip Kelly was looking for in a quarterback.

Kelly was fired, of course, so I'm going to slot Kizer to the 49ers. It's worth noting that team sources have Kizer rated higher than Deshaun Watson. They like Kizer because of his arm strength, mobility and upside.

Chicago Bears: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama
A quarterback like Mitch Trubisky is definitely a possibility at this juncture, but given that the Bears have a veteran coaching staff and front office in place, I'm not sure they'd want a raw, rookie signal-caller in control of the offense. I think it's more likely that they trade for Tony Romo or sign Tyrod Taylor.

With that in mind, the Bears can take the best player on the board, and that would be Jonathan Allen, who would make Chicago's defensive line dominant. Allen starting along with Akiem Hicks and Eddie Goldman would give the Bears one of the top defensive lines in the NFL.

Allen is currently in the top five of our 2017 NFL Draft Big Board, as he has been dominant this year. In fact, he should have won the Heisman over Lamar Jackson, as he was the best player in the country.




Jacksonville Jaguars: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee
Despite their six sacks of Andrew Luck in the London game, the Jaguars don't pressure the quarterback consistently. They have some promising edge rushers in Dante Fowler and Yannick Ngakoue, but neither was very effective this past season.

I don't think Jacksonville will go out of its way to select an edge rusher, but in this case, one of the best players available happens to be one. Derek Barnett is an absolute stud, as he just set Tennessee's all-time record for sacks over a career. Considering how good Jacksonville's secondary is, this defense would become very scary with Barnett putting heat on opposing quarterbacks.

Tennessee Titans: Jamal Adams, S, LSU
The Titans made great strides in 2016, and they figure to keep improving, thanks to this selection. Owning the No. 5 overall pick because of the Rams' incompetence, Tennessee wouldn't be in a position to snatch a blue-chip safety prospect if they never moved down last year. That, however, is the case, as the Titans won one of the most lopsided trades in NFL history.

It's going to be a tight race between Jamal Adams and Malik Hooker to see who the No. 1 safety prospect will be. I had Hooker here a couple of weeks ago, but it seems like Adams is a bit ahead of him right now. That could change soon, however.

New York Jets: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina
I've had Leonard Fournette slotted here for a while, but only because neither of the top two quarterbacks were available. There have been reports that the Jets are high on Mitch Trubisky, and I don't think there would be any smoke screens prior to the end of the regular season. Trubisky is accurate and happens to release the ball quickly, so he'll appeal to some teams who will look past his flaws. Perhaps New York will be that team, and understandably so, given how much the Jets need a quarterback.




San Diego Chargers: Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State
The Chargers could go in a number of directions at No. 7. I've had Cam Robinson slotted here for a while. However, I think Malik Hooker can be considered the superior prospect. Plus, he fills a huge need. The Chargers were already weak at safety in the wake of Eric Weddle's departure, and now Jahleel Addae happens to be an impending free agent.

Hooker has drawn comparisons to Ed Reed for his instincts and play-making ability, and he would be a welcome addition to a Tennessee defense that struggled mightily against the pass in 2016.

Carolina Panthers: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
If the Panthers are truly serious about taking the best player on their board - and they've utilized that strategy so far - then they'll surely pick one of the two running backs. In this case, it's Leonard Fournette. Jonathan Stewart is still a quality runner, but he turns 30 this March, so Carolina might envision Fournette as Cam Newton's backfield partner for the next 8-10 years.

Fournette is considered the top running back prospect since Adrian Peterson, as he's received higher grades than Todd Gurley and Ezekiel Elliott. He was slowed by an injury in 2016, but his tape in 2015 was some of the best a running back prospect has ever displayed.

Cincinnati Bengals: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
The Bengals don't have a very good edge rush, as Carlos Dunlap is the only defensive end capable of putting consistent heat on opposing quarterbacks. Michael Johnson is a bust signing and must be upgraded.

Solomon Thomas would be a great addition to Cincinnati's roster. He single-handedly dominated his bowl game, as he was completely unblockable.

Pick change; previously Cam Robinson, OT


Buffalo Bills: Pat Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech
The Bills have run Tyrod Taylor out of town, thanks to ownership incompetence, and now they're stuck at quarterback. What do they do? Sign Brian Hoyer? Accelerate Cardale Jones' development so he's the 2017 starter? Wait until the second round, hoping the quarterback they like is still available? None of those sound like great options, so Buffalo could be forced to pull the trigger at No. 10.

Many have the national champion quarterback here, and he could certainly be the pick. However, Deshaun Watson has graded poorly, and most of the teams we've spoken to see Pat Mahomes as the superior prospect. Mahomes has drawn comparisons to Derek Carr, and a couple of teams we've spoken to have him as a second-round prospect. But given that Mahomes is a quarterback, he's likely to be chosen earlier than most anticipate. The NFL Draft Advisory Committee apparently agrees, as they gave Mahomes a Round 1-2 grade. Thus, it only seems logical to slot Mahomes into the first frame, and this is a very logical spot for him, given how desperate Buffalo is at quarterback.

New Orleans Saints: Reuben Foster, LB, Alabama
The Saints have tons of issues on defense. One happens to be at linebacker. I still can't believe they signed James Laurinaitis. Did they not watch how horrible he was for the Rams? Seriously, what were they thinking? They can make amends by selecting a solid inside linebacker prospect early in the draft.

Reuben Foster is obviously more than just a solid linebacker prospect, as he's considered the best player at the position in this class.

Pick change; previously Solomon Thomas, DE

Cleveland Browns: Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
The Browns have some of the worst secondary play in the NFL. In fact, it's probably the absolute worst. There are problems both at cornerback and safety. Regarding the former, one of my readers called Joe Haden the "oldest 27-year-old on the planet" because of all the injuries he's incurred over the years. Haden is no longer reliable, so Cleveland will have to think about finding a new No. 1 cornerback.


Arizona Cardinals: Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
Larry Fitzgerald hasn't announced his plans as far as returning to the NFL next season. He could very easily retire this spring, and if not, this upcoming year might be his last as a pro. Meanwhile, Michael Floyd was released for being an idiot. Arizona is suddenly in dire need of a receiver, so why not take the top prospect at the position in this class?

Williams is a stud. He dominated the national championship, and he has drawn comparisons to Andre Johnson.

Pick change; previously Reuben Foster, LB

Indianapolis Colts: Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
The Colts have a number of positions that they need to address on defense, and they also have some holes to fill on the offensive line. However, the top prospect on the board is Dalvin Cook, and he also fills a big need. Frank Gore is about to turn 34, and he's not going to be very effective in the near future. Having a dynamic player like Cook in the backfield would be a huge boost for Andrew Luck.




Philadelphia Eagles: Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida
The Eagles are kicking themselves that they've missed out on Dalvin Cook and Mike Williams, who were taken in consecutive picks prior to this one. Either one would offer a much-needed massive upgrade to Philadelphia's offense. It wouldn't surprise me if the Eagles opted to move up for one of the two dynamic offensive play-makers.

This, however, is not a bad consolation prize, as the Eagles get to take the No. 2 cornerback prospect in a loaded draft class. They have major problems at cornerback, but can remedy those issues by nailing this selection.

Quincy Wilson doesn't have much starting experience, but he was one of the nation's top cornerbacks in 2016, so I have to imagine that some team in the top half of the first round will fall in love with his upside.

Pick change; previously Mike Williams, WR

Baltimore Ravens: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
Ozzie Newsome loves his Alabama prospects, so I don't think he'd hesitate to select Cam Robinson, if given the opportunity. This would make for two consecutive first-round picks on offensive tackles, but the position will need to be addressed if Ricky Wagner leaves via free agency, as expected. The Baltimore Sun reported that the Ravens aren't likely to re-sign Wagner, so this is a logical replacement.

Cam Robinson has battled some off-the-field issues, and there are mixed opinions about him amongst scouts and decision-makers. However, he's talented, and he's a bargain at No. 16 overall.

Pick change; previously Malik McDowell, DE/DT


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Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:27 PM

As a ND fan and a guy who has seen Kizer play a lot of games, I just don't get it. To my eye, no WAY he projects to NFL stardom.
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Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:28 PM

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Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:29 PM

I don't subscribe to ESPN Insider, so I can't link to Kiper's 1st mock. But he has the Jets taking Marshon Lattimore, CB, OSU at #6:

1. Myles Garrett, OLB, Texas A&M

2. Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina,

3. Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama

4. Jamal Adams, S, LSU

5. Mike Williams, WR, Clemson

6. Marshon Lattimore, CB, OSU

Marshon Lattimore**, CB, Ohio State
Height: 6-0. Weight: 192.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2017): Top-20 Pick.
1/7/17: Lattimore totaled 41 tackles with nine passes broken up and four interceptions on the season. He had a big game against Tulsa with two interceptions. Lattimore was very good in coverage with size and speed, and he has the skill set of a No. 1 cover corner in the NFL.

Lattimore could be a top-16 pick if he enters the 2017 NFL Draft. Sources say they are hearing that Lattimore might return to Ohio State for his redshirt junior season, but they are very impressed with him as a player.

9/3/16: Scouting sources have raved about how Lattimore has looked in fall camp for the 2016 season. Lattimore has good size to go with athletic ability. As a backup in 2015 during his redshirt freshman season, Lattimore had three passes broken up and five tackles. Teams believe he's in store for some big seasons now that he's a starter.
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Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:29 PM

"New York Jets: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina
I've had Leonard Fournette slotted here for a while, but only because neither of the top two quarterbacks were available. There have been reports that the Jets are high on Mitch Trubisky, and I don't think there would be any smoke screens prior to the end of the regular season. Trubisky is accurate and happens to release the ball quickly, so he'll appeal to some teams who will look past his flaws. Perhaps New York will be that team, and understandably so, given how much the Jets need a quarterback. "

I don't want to hear the words "Top 6 pick" and "Flaws" in the same sentence.
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Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:32 PM

Yeah, corner. Whatever.

Anyone can play corner these days. You're allowed to do whatever you want. In man2man, separation is a thing of the past. Every receiver has to slap the DB's hands off him 10x/route. Illegal contact has been torn from the rulebook.
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Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:41 PM

View PostJohn Tobin, on 19 January 2017 - 12:32 PM, said:

Yeah, corner. Whatever.

Anyone can play corner these days. You're allowed to do whatever you want. In man2man, separation is a thing of the past. Every receiver has to slap the DB's hands off him 10x/route. Illegal contact has been torn from the rulebook.



Corner might actually be a good early pick, but not in round 1, IMO. It's supposed to be a deep CB draft, so if you take one at #6 he had better be outstanding, future probowl quality. Jets could probably get one with the same skill set in round 2. I think we are all still shell shocked from the last two 1st round CB busts we chose: Kyle Wilson and Dee Milliner.
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Posted 19 January 2017 - 06:30 PM

Wilson and Milliner could probably succeed today considering what the NFL lets CBs get away with. I barely recognize this sport anymore.
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Posted 19 January 2017 - 07:34 PM

View PostJohn Tobin, on 19 January 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

Wilson and Milliner could probably succeed today considering what the NFL lets CBs get away with. I barely recognize this sport anymore.

Milliner couldn't succeed if he faced a receiver with both legs amputated and an atom bomb planted up his ass!
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Posted 20 January 2017 - 12:14 PM

Yardbarker's mock for MSN has us taking MARLON HUMPHREY, CB, ALABAMA

http://www.msn.com/e...BBnb7Kz#image=6
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Posted 20 January 2017 - 12:20 PM

No more Bama CBs in the 1st, please.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 12:35 PM

If the LSU RB is there at #6 we should take him.
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Posted 12 February 2017 - 09:54 AM

2/12/17 Slater of NJ.com excerpt & link:


Round 1 (No. 6 overall): FS Malik Hooker, Ohio State

Round 2 (No. 38 overall): RB Christian McCaffrey, Stanford

Round 3 (No. 70 overall): CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado

Round 4 (No. 141 overall/compensatory): C Tyler Orlosky, West Virginia

Round 5 (No. 151 overall): WR Trent Taylor, Louisiana Tech

Round 6 (No. 192 overall): CB Jalen Myrick, Minnesota

Round 7 (No. 229 overall): TE Adam Shaheen, Ashland

http://www.nj.com/je...art_river_index

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