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TJB- The Fitzpatrick Era has come to an end

#1 User is offline   Maven 

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:50 AM

The Ryan Fitzpatrick Era officially came to an end on Friday when his contract automatically voided.

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 02:10 PM

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 02:20 PM

$5M in wasted cap space?
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Posted 13 February 2017 - 08:43 PM

View Postmudcat21, on 10 February 2017 - 02:20 PM, said:

$5M in wasted cap space?



So what was he supposed to do with it, give it to Remu$$ & Bilker$on, two fat lazy stiffs?
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:06 AM

View Posthmhertz, on 13 February 2017 - 08:43 PM, said:

So what was he supposed to do with it, give it to Remu$$ & Bilker$on, two fat lazy stiffs?


He already gave them the money. Jets have one of worst cap situations in NFL again this year.
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 06:18 PM

is it really all that bad?

I know we have some older players at some larger amounts but everything I've read seemed to indicate that we can actually create plenty of room by getting out of some of those deals...without huge dead money. Revis is like $5M dead money, right?

it's real interesting to see what they do. If they really have the backing of Woody, they may just cut bait with many of the 30+ guys...that would include Mangold, Marshall, Revis, Harris, etc...and just go all in on rebuild mode with young guys.

But if they feel pressure to win then they probably can't afford to do that realistically

I think the QB option will dictate...if they need to win and look for a stopgap (again), then guys like Romo and Cutler are in the mix, and you'd think we'd keep some of the older guys.

If they go rookie and let Petty, Hack and a rookie battle it out, then you may as well purge everyone and go young...I have a hard time seeing this option.

Most likely is going after someone like Glennon, then figuring out how to keep maybe half the older guys to be competitive

can't wait to see the approach

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 06:37 PM

2nd worst in the league. All teams have older players to cut to create cap space. Jets and Cowboys only teams to start out negative. Browns have over $100M in cap space before cutting anyone.


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1 Cleveland Browns 59 24.46 $46,019,802 $56,218,257 $6,428,213 $50,123,269 $109,356,272 $108,766,997 $105,046,997
2 San Francisco 49ers 46 25.29 $62,290,257 $58,567,417 $1,222,207 $38,708,916 $124,823,431 $81,885,485 $81,885,485
3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 50 25.06 $39,753,377 $53,522,877 $845,126 $5,330,779 $100,527,418 $72,803,361 $67,038,655
4 Tennessee Titans 52 25.69 $50,698,426 $63,110,814 $3,337,476 $24,046,522 $124,431,384 $67,615,138 $67,150,138
5 Jacksonville Jaguars 57 25.48 $61,700,959 $77,098,788 $241,600 $39,314,310 $142,331,347 $64,982,963 $62,192,963
6 Washington Redskins 55 25.51 $50,796,735 $56,716,305 $8,728,156 $15,055,131 $118,431,196 $64,623,935 $63,693,935
7 New England Patriots 48 26.04 $67,373,820 $34,591,396 $1,296,026 $5,292,335 $110,346,242 $62,946,093 $62,946,093
8 Indianapolis Colts 51 25.43 $69,246,115 $38,960,366 $1,376,806 $6,614,106 $113,698,287 $60,915,819 $60,915,819
9 Chicago Bears 55 25.45 $58,467,479 $57,398,024 $738,046 $8,103,197 $117,319,876 $58,783,321 $57,388,321
10 Carolina Panthers 55 26.18 $73,126,199 $48,970,247 $310,425 $13,208,020 $130,729,871 $50,478,149 $49,083,149
11 Oakland Raiders 55 25.51 $61,198,820 $58,840,591 $55,175 $8,000,000 $127,054,586 $48,945,414 $47,085,414
12 Cincinnati Bengals 55 25.18 $58,869,352 $64,943,641 $321,528 $6,578,866 $129,544,521 $45,034,345 $43,174,345
13 Green Bay Packers 46 24.74 $71,966,200 $52,135,089 $4,249,786 $7,984,687 $132,416,075 $43,568,612 $43,568,612
14 Los Angeles Rams 58 24.57 $61,171,773 $62,890,805 $2,007,335 $304,311 $129,318,686 $38,985,625 $35,730,625
15 Detroit Lions 50 25.02 $61,649,783 $64,121,007 $1,398,677 $4,725,644 $135,309,556 $37,416,088 $37,416,088
16 Pittsburgh Steelers 59 25.38 $84,737,033 $45,373,376 $2,375,887 $3,269,367 $134,411,296 $36,858,071 $34,533,071
17 Arizona Cardinals 53 25.42 $78,948,451 $55,767,191 $440,461 $4,405,068 $136,936,103 $35,468,965 $34,538,965
18 New York Giants 53 25 $57,483,415 $72,562,105 $2,899,441 $1,800,000 $135,209,961 $34,590,039 $34,125,039
19 Denver Broncos 53 24.92 $60,772,478 $80,244,180 $70,448 $7,243,248 $142,112,108 $33,131,140 $32,201,140
20 Miami Dolphins 50 25.84 $61,220,741 $83,898,756 $634,494 $8,363,708 $146,984,325 $29,379,383 $29,379,383
21 Atlanta Falcons 46 25.91 $82,630,089 $47,644,148 $2,977,670 $926,541 $140,130,241 $28,796,300 $28,796,300
22 New Orleans Saints 59 25.9 $77,726,871 $52,044,195 $10,576,452 $5,754,000 $145,047,518 $28,706,482 $25,451,482
23 Seattle Seahawks 58 25.12 $58,149,223 $82,235,085 $827,917 $2,065,865 $142,812,225 $27,253,640 $24,463,640
24 Houston Texans 62 25.32 $77,905,038 $67,304,788 $59,710 $4,935,924 $146,219,536 $26,716,388 $21,526,388
25 Buffalo Bills 44 25.64 $78,111,951 $60,764,990 $1,457,611 $2,837,222 $144,824,552 $26,012,670 $26,012,670
26 Minnesota Vikings 54 25.48 $67,051,450 $71,733,049 $4,312,476 $400,184 $145,246,975 $23,153,209 $21,758,209
27 Los Angeles Chargers 52 25.83 $89,057,706 $55,744,344 $187,669 $113,693 $146,184,843 $21,928,850 $21,463,850
28 Baltimore Ravens 54 26.39 $75,611,081 $65,848,456 $5,399,264 $2,553,126 $155,298,801 $15,254,325 $13,859,325
29 Philadelphia Eagles 62 25.97 $83,428,929 $70,323,031 $7,305,933 $7,933,869 $164,295,393 $11,638,476 $6,523,476
30 Kansas City Chiefs 63 25.79 $86,942,126 $76,826,685 $1,132,210 $5,002,168 $170,926,021 $2,076,147 $-3,878,853
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32 Dallas Cowboys 58 25.66 $118,408,868 $52,628,714 $3,051,856 $2,401,553 $181,059,438 $-10,657,885 $-14,953,322
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:10 AM

Mudcat is 100% correct.

But there will be massive changes for many teams with cuts and free agency (i.e. when Dallas cuts Romo and when Bills cut Taylor, their ranking will go way up the board.). But the Jets, thanks to Mac and Revis mostly, are in horrible shape. And consider this: Many teams (not all) in the bottom third of the list in deep cap trouble (from #22 to #32) are in that position because of immense QB contracts, such as Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Osweiler, Tyrod Taylor (soon to be cut), Phillip Rivers, Joe Flacco, Alex Smith and Tony Romo (soon to be cut).

The Jets are in cap hell not because of any QB, but because of Revis and a few other very stupid contracts. That makes our predicament all the worse. So far, Mac has not been good been really bad at managing the cap (relative to other GMs). His supposed strength is talent evaluation, which at this point he hasn't proven to be any better than average, so he doesn't even have that going for him any more. Jets need to get a better cap person on their staff.

Frankly, I think Mac will be on the hot seat after this season. Color me a lot less impressed than I was initially... but, unlike my views on Todd Bowles, I'm still very hopeful that Mac can be good.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:26 AM

Good points

Cap hell because of a superstar Suoerbowl winning QB you could at least understand...cap hell WITHOUT even a decent QB on the roster, let alone a superstar QB, AND a shitty losing record is inexcusable. Who on this team is a true star player that we can't live without? Before last year probably the only possibility would have been Wilk, and we paid him and look what happened.

I guess the bright side would be that there really aren't any players we can't afford to lose....teams are often over the cap and they always get under the cap ... every year. There aren't any players on this team that would crush us if we had to cut ties with them to get under the cap, so in that sense it's not the end of the world...maybe this will force us to cut older overpriced guys. I can see Mac's thinking after the surprise 10-6 he figured we're close, we have a shot, let's reload and try again...but Fitz reverted back to form.

On the talent side I agree...I'd give a C or thereabouts so far...in two years he's drafted an impact guy in Williams but it was ata position of strength so it minimized the pile on effect of making the team better because it meant to get him on the field we had to sit another good player in Richardson or play him out of position.

That's it...no other impact players in two years. He gets credit for the undrafted WRs...but he's blown two seconds round picks in the grand Jets tradition

So pretty average...a step up from Idzik who was probably the worst GM I've ever seen....but he's not lighting any fires either. Still early and we will see how our young guys develop so still some hope I think....but we need to have a really good draft this year

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 04:33 PM

If he doesn't have a good draft this year & the previous ones remain unimpressive, fire him. At this point I watch the team for loyalty's sake, not because of any sense of excitement for the team or anyone on the roster.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:52 PM

""..in two years he's drafted an impact guy in Williams but it was ata position of strength so it minimized the pile on effect of making the team better because it meant to get him on the field we had to sit another good player in Richardson or play him out of position.""

Which is why I'm a "needs" guy and not a BAP guy.
BAP is dumb.
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:19 AM

 John Tobin, on 15 February 2017 - 06:52 PM, said:

""..in two years he's drafted an impact guy in Williams but it was ata position of strength so it minimized the pile on effect of making the team better because it meant to get him on the field we had to sit another good player in Richardson or play him out of position.""

Which is why I'm a "needs" guy and not a BAP guy.
BAP is dumb.



I agree BAP is Jack-Ass dumb. You should take a player in one of our various needs that has grades appropriate to the round.
If no player is rated high enough in the round go to the next need
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:17 AM

 John Tobin, on 15 February 2017 - 06:52 PM, said:

""..in two years he's drafted an impact guy in Williams but it was ata position of strength so it minimized the pile on effect of making the team better because it meant to get him on the field we had to sit another good player in Richardson or play him out of position.""

Which is why I'm a "needs" guy and not a BAP guy.
BAP is dumb.


John, drafting for need for over a decade is what put the jets in this miserable positionto begin with. That's how the whole personnel disaster with this club originated. It's going to take more than a couple of years to repair the decade+ long damage.

A good GM blends need with BPA, and should always lean toward talent, not need , in the first coupe of rounds. Ask yourself why our last 7 years of 2nd round picks have been so terrible: drafting for need

2016: Hackenberg (obviously need based)
2015: D. Smith (After Idzik, we had garbage at WR - entirely need based)
2014: Amaro (we had no TE to speak of - entirely need based and a disaster)
2013: Geno Smith (like Hackenvberg, a completely nneed based decision and a train wreck)
2012: Stephen Hill (NOT as need based as the others above). Just a stupid choice
2011: no 2nd rd choice
2010: Vlad Ducase I Don't remember ifwe were desperate for a right tackle or not because we had Brick in place at LT. I think this was a need based reach and just awful again.

A smart GM doesn't lock himself into "Need" vs "BPA". He knows how and when to blend the two and must rely and exceptional scouting, which the Jets did not have under Tannenbaum (Bradway in charge of scouoting) or Idzik (magic 8-ball in charge of Jets scouting.) So far, not impressed with Mac's scouting either.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:19 AM

 hmhertz, on 16 February 2017 - 07:19 AM, said:

I agree BAP is Jack-Ass dumb. You should take a player in one of our various needs that has grades appropriate to the round.
If no player is rated high enough in the round go to the next need


that's a blend of need & BPA that most GMs probably implement. It comes down to scouting.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 04:09 PM

 dcat, on 16 February 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

that's a blend of need & BPA that most GMs probably implement. It comes down to scouting.


This. Talent sticks, and stiffs don't. We picked a LOT of stiffs.

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 09:25 AM

""Ask yourself why our last 7 years of 2nd round picks have been so terrible: drafting for need""

No, actually it's because the players sucked. If a guy sucks then the rationale for drafting him doesn't really matter.
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Posted 17 February 2017 - 10:39 AM

I agree it's a blend and if the scouting is good and the players are good then the methodology will appear to be THE best way to go

The Giants had LT and still drafted Carl Banks in the first round....that was BPA not need...they already had a superstar LB in Taylor. But it worked because they built a dominant LB corps

The Williams pick I agreed with at the time...he was too highly rated to pass on even with Sheldon and Wilk on the roster...and he's been great. Our best DL last year by far. It would have probably looked even better had they been able to trade Sheldon for decent picks...they tried but couldn't get it done for fair value. Even still I was ok with it because DL is one of the easier position groups to rotate players in and keep them fresh. No idea why the fuck they thought playing Sheldon at OLB or ILB was a good idea.

So I'm not against BPA per se...if the scouting is good then the method will build a better overall team. We've just either had piss poor scouts or dumb GMs....probably both in our case

Bradway was horrible...just awful, and the worst negotiator we've had...he got absolutely raped on every trade he made...the Doug Jolley and a 2 for our first rounder, and then using that 2 to draft a K ... I can't think of a stupider more ludicrous transaction in sports. Period. That should have been enough to get his ass fired but no, we kept him on for another fucking ten years. Good riddance

Tannenbaum was better, and certainly in his negotiations at least he got over for the most part...say what you will about the Sanchez pick, but the trade to get there he destroyed the Browns...we moved from what, twenty something (23? 21?) to 5 for our first round pick and three JAG's (including Brett fucking Ratliff!!!!) who never did anything on the field. Again, Sanchez may have turned out to suck, but he did get us to the brink twice, and regardless, we got OVER on the Browns. I'll take that kind of trade up all day long. Tanny's problem was that he got lucky trading up and landing Revis and Harris, and that made him cocky with the trade ups and three and four player drafts, so when they didn't hit, the team was left with no depth, and the free agency contracts he needed to sign came back and bit him. Good riddance

Idzik was by far THE worst GM I've ever seen. I can't even fathom a GM SO bad that the fan base has to get signs to get him fired....THAT got Woodys attention for sure...otherwise he'd have had more fucking time. I give him absolutely ZERO credit for "fixing" our cap...he did NOTHING other than cut Sanchez and Santonio, which Tanny had set up for him and which everyone on this board would have done on their first day on the job. No brainers. He gets NO credit for that. And then his drafting was atrocious...picking two corners with serious injury histories in McDougle and Milliner, then absolutely wasting the next draft...first of all why the fuck did he keep all twelve picks? You can't have twelve rookies make the team, even as bad as we were...he should have used that ammunition to trade up (hey...WR was a HUGE need and it was a historic WR draft! The scmuck wastes TWO fourth round picks to draft two guys who are out of the league in two years....could have traded up for Odell or stayed put and taken Cooks....either one would have been a great choice). Or he could have traded picks away for next years draft if he didn't want to trade up. Either way would have been better than using all 12. God this guy was some kind of terrible. We all KNEW he couldn't be the one to stick around and use that cap space that Tanny GAVE him. Good riddance.

So we get to Mac. He used some space to get older guys and we got a surprise run out of it...he should have stuck to his guns on the Fitz deal for year two because he was just bidding against himself and Fitz had no real options, but I can understand the pressure following a great year of wanting to keep it going and not wanting a disgruntled QB leading the team....he needed to hand Fitz a win....the downside risk for him of NOT doing the deal was bigger than the downside risk of doing it....he should have stuck to his guns and his knowledge of what Fitz really is, but I get the thought process...he had had success with Chan at Buffalo and it immediately rekindled here...the media and fans would most likely have crucified him had he not resigned Fitz, because most would have expected a similar year again. I know most on this board were against the increased salary which was clearly the smarter move, but the media I think would have turned hard against him, and Woody too probably. So I get it. And we get to year three where I think Mac needs to do better. His drafts have not yielded great players outside of Williams but it is still early....he has a high pick again this year and he needs to have a strong draft. I've will see.

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 11:16 AM

View PostJohn Tobin, on 17 February 2017 - 09:25 AM, said:

""Ask yourself why our last 7 years of 2nd round picks have been so terrible: drafting for need""

No, actually it's because the players sucked. If a guy sucks then the rationale for drafting him doesn't really matter.


If they had been drafting for talent rather than need, not as many of them would have sucked. If that makes any sense.

It still all comes down to scouting. I honestly think that some people here are far better at evaluating talent than the some of the Jets scouts thru the years. I'd trust Pete more than most of them.

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 11:28 AM

View Postdcat, on 17 February 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:



It still all comes down to scouting.

I'd trust Pete more than most of them.

Agree.

Me too.

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 11:42 AM

79,

No Idzik critique is complete without a mention of the frivolous Tommy Bohannon pick. (TB played w/Idzik's son at Wake). The dumbass. Same as Rex with Boyd out of Clemson. These a-holes were the anti-Belichick. They were devil-may-care guys. Let the chips fall types. F them. Meanwhile, saps like us sit here and root for this team for 40 years while these dopes come by for 3-4 years to perpetuate the upfuckery.
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